In today’s episode, I have Danielle Isbell from Snaps, Scribbles and Suitcases on the show where we discuss how safe solo travelling really is. There’s always this preconceived idea that travelling alone is dangerous, well we bust through that.
Danielle is a digital marketer and photographer from Seattle, WA USA, and with her husband, they’re are about to begin their digital nomad existence. Their goal is to be international for at least a year and to still have freedom of location when they return to the US.
Solo travel can be very safe so long as you’re sensible and use a little common sense. I know people who’ve spent 6 months travelling around Africa solo without issues… People who’ve stayed in the homes of complete strangers without trouble.
Now I’m not saying there isn’t danger out there in the world, but that it’s just not as dangerous as you’d think
Anyway dudes and dudettes, I hope you enjoy this episode!
IN THIS EPISODE WE COVER:
- Is solo travelling safe for women?
- Danielle’s experiences travelling solo
- My experiences in Thailand and being in Australia on my own for the first two days
- Paying attention to your surroundings
- Language barriers
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LT: And here we go. So, Danielle, thank you so much for coming on to the show. It was a pleasure – or not “it was”. It is a pleasure to co-host this episode with you.
DI: Yeah. I’m really excited to be here, Luke.
LT: So I gave everybody, all the dudes and dudettes, an introduction of who you are and what you do. But would you like to just introduce yourself, so just in case I missed anything, and, you know, talk a little bit about what you do online right now and, like, a brief travel history.
DI: Sure. Absolutely. So I am based in Seattle, Washington right now. I am a digital marketer with a local marketing agency here. So we focus on local businesses and kind of doing all their digital marketing. It’s been great. I’ve been there for about two years, and I’ve learned a ton. And really excited because a lot of the skills I will be able to take with me when I do some long-term travel, which my husband and I are planning to do starting in April. Yeah. Before that – I’ve done a little bit of long-term before. I did that post-college, you know, two-month backpack trip around Europe, and I’ve been to South America and been back to Europe again. And I’ve done some solo trips around the US too. And it just kind of got to a part in my life where travel wasn’t a priority anymore, and my husband and I decided to change that. So we’ve kind of refocused and made it a priority, and now plan to do kind of a long-term no-end-in-sight, sell everything and hit the road and see what happens. So we’re pretty excited about that.
LT: Yeah, man. When I did my first trip, I, like, sold everything that I owned and brought a one-way ticket to Australia, stopped by Thailand for a month and it was the best decision that I made. So I’m so glad.
LT: Like, we were talking before and you said your husband hasn’t left Canada, like, ever.
DI: Yeah, yeah.
LT: But obviously you’ve done a lot of solo travelling, so it’s awesome to hear that you're sort of, like, dragging him out of the country now.
DI: Definitely. And it’s definitely a different shift where most of my travels have been solo and now I’m bringing along a, you know, husband who, you know, hasn’t really done international – I mean, he’s from the US, but we’ve done a trip to Canada. But that’s about it. So it’s interesting looking at first-time travel through his eyes too because it was so long ago that that was me, and we just approach it very differently which is really interesting and really kind of fun to go through.
LT: Yeah. It’ll be interesting to check back in later on and see sort of, like, how your sort of, like, travel experience changes when you travel with a partner. I mean, it’s something that I haven’t done yet myself.
LT: So it’ll be interesting to hear sort of, like, how different, like, the experiences can be or whatever, like, when you're travelling with a partner compared to travelling by yourself.
DI: Definitely. I’m really curious to find out too.
LT: Cool. And talking about solo travel, that’s what we’re going to be talking about today.
LT: And that is, like, solo female travel and the fact that it’s a lot safer than a lot of people think. I think there’s sort of, like, a – especially to people that don't really travel. There’s, like, a preconceived notion that it’s extremely dangerous no matter where you go around the world to travel alone, especially if you are female. And you sort of, like, talked about it already in your intro and, you know, you said you’ve done a lot of solo travel in the earlier days and, you know, you turned out fine.
LT: You know, nothing bad happened.
LT: So I think as long as you're sort of, like, sensible and, you know, don’t do anything, like, really stupid, then, you know – that applies to both males and females, not just, like, female solo travel; male solo travel as well, you know. As long as you don’t do anything stupid, you’ll be fine. But, I mean, I’d love to just, like, talk about your experiences, especially, like, in some of the places where you’ve been that, like, people are surprised that you went there by yourself or, you know, some of the activities that you’ve done that people were surprised that you did by yourself. I think it’d be good to talk about those things so people can see that actually it’s not so dangerous.
DI: It’s really not. Yeah. My very first solo trip I was 19 and I heard that Billy Joel was no longer going to be touring the US anymore, so I bought myself a ticket to New York City to see him at Madison Square Garden. And so I was 19 years old and my parents got this – they were really supportive. I mean, I was there for a long weekend but, like, their friends were freaking out, just, “I can't believe that you're letting her do that. Is it going to be safe?” Some of my friends were just amazed that I would do something like that on my own. And even though it’s in this country, there’s just this fear of unknown. And I feel like no matter where you are, like, you have to take the same precautions as you would at your home. Maybe it’s elevated a little bit when you're not close to home because you don't have those resources, right?
DI: If anything happens, could anyone get to you? If you lose your money or your bank account, like, it will take time to get that sorted out. Like, obviously you're worried about anything violent. But it’s the same precautions as you would take anywhere else in the world. So it was amusing. I kind of liked that I got that first, like, everyone thinks this is a scary, bad thing to do. I’m going to do it (inaudible) when I was 19. So that was the first trip. And then I did my solo Europe trip when I was 24. So, you know, it was definitely older; it was after college; and, you know, it was in Europe but there were definitely places that I wanted to see that were not necessarily considered the safest. And, I don’t know, it never really occurred to me to not see those places because of what other people say. I think it’s super important to do your research and know what you're getting into, but it’s so worth it to take those chances.
LT: Yeah, definitely.
LT: I mean, I’ve done, like – when I went to Thailand for the first time, I was 23 or 24. I can’t remember. 23, 24; whatever. I had, like, the same things, you know. People were telling me, like, “Thailand’s dangerous. You’ve got to be careful of this, this and this.” And I was planning on, like, going to, like, the Full Moon party as well and people were, like, “You’ve got to be careful. People will try and spike your drinks.” Blah, blah, blah. And, you know, like I said at the beginning, you know, as long as you're sensible, then, you know, those sorts of things you don’t really have to worry about. Also, thankfully, I was doing, like, a group tour around Thailand.
LT: So even though I wasn’t really travelling by myself, you know, I didn’t know any of these people before I got to Thailand, but I was with the same group of people travelling around.
DI: Yeah. That has to help too.
DI: Yeah. And I feel like as a solo traveller, even if you're not with a group, it’s so easy to make those connections.
DI: Like, if you ever feel like you need that connection somewhere or you want that almost safety in numbers, it’s so easy just to walk up to someone and meet them and travel with them. Or if you feel unsafe, like, it’s really easy to connect with other travellers.
LT: Yeah. Especially if you, like, stay in places like hostels.
LT: I did a lot of hostelling when I was, like, in Australia.
LT: And when I got to Australia, I only had the first two nights of accommodation booked and nothing else planned. And just in the two days that I was in this hostel – I think it was the Woodduck hostel in Cairns. Yeah, the first two days that I was there I probably made about 12 friends in that first day and I think, like, on day, like, three or four we all rented a boat and we went boating up the Cairns River fishing for about nine hours.
DI: And, like, you can't plan for that, right?
DI: That’s something awesome that happens on the road. It’s so great.
LT: And, like, nothing dangerous – like, the only bad thing that happened, like, the – I think I was in Cairns for about eight days all by myself. The only bad thing that happened in those eight days is on that boating trip that we went on, we lost a fishing line. We lost, like, a fishing rod. We had the fishing line, like, in one of those holders so it just trails behind the boat and whoever put the fishing rod in there didn’t put it in properly and, you know, either a fish took it away or something, but it just came flying out the holder. We lost it and, yeah, we had to, like, pay for a new line for this company.
LT: But that was it. That’s, like, the only bad thing that happened.
DI: Right. That’s funny. Yeah. I’m trying to think of, like, the worst things that happened as a solo female traveller. And I think one of the real concerns is being in places where you get unwanted attention because you're a woman.
DI: And it didn’t happen too – like, it definitely happened in Italy more than any other country I was in in Europe. South America, a little bit. I mean, when I lived in New York City, I lived in, like, Harlem and Washington Heights, and got a lot of attention up there just because you're a woman. Like, it was catcalling and whistling all of the time.
DI: So I was a little bit used to it. But in Italy I actually (inaudible) forget how to read the 24-hour clock and I totally misread my train time and missed my train out of Venice by, like, an hour and then I had to wait for, I think, two or three hours for the next one. And I was just there for the day so I had my whole pack with me. It wasn’t enough time to go anywhere. I couldn’t really afford to, like, go and sit at, like, a café for a long time, especially any café in that area is really expensive and it was getting dark out. And so I was just kind of sitting on the steps that were close to the train station, and I had this guy that was just sitting next to me and trying to talk Italian. I was like no, you know, and I kind of was trying to politely, you know, put him down and off. But they don’t really respond to that; you have to be really, like, harsh and, like, no. And eventually end up walking away and he end up following me around.
And so, like, that was kind of scary. I mean, there was still a lot of people out but it was unwanted attention that I couldn’t get away from until I think eventually I was just, you know, like, no or I went and sat by other people just to, you know, make it feel a little bit safer. And, like, those are real situations that come up, and it’s learning how to pay attention to your surroundings and knowing what to do, like, if you get that kind of attention or if, you know, you are in a situation where you just feel uncomfortable. Like, there are things you can do. And, I don’t know, it wouldn’t stop me from it. You know, I would never tell a solo female traveller, “Don’t go to Italy because you're going to get a lot of attention.”
LT: Well, it’s like you said. Like, when you were in New York City, you know, you got a lot of attention there and, you know, it’s not going to make – you know, you're going to get attention, like, back home as well. And the only difference is you're just in a foreign country that – I think people’s biggest concern is, yeah, like you said, you don’t have that sort of, like, safety net or the immediate safety net of, like, family and friends around you like you would if something bad happened back home.
DI: Right. Right.
LT: So I think that’s the only real difference, and as long as you're – I don’t want to keep saying as long as you're sensible because, you know, there’s going to be some things that are out of your control. But like you said, you know, you just got up and, like, went and sat with a group of people. And, I mean, a lot of people are nice. If you’re saying, like, “This guy won’t leave me alone,” then, you know, people will, like, bring you into their circle and sort of, like, look after you. I know that actually happened on a trip that I was on. I can’t remember where we were; it was somewhere in Australia, and there was about eight of us sat around a table and this girl came up to us and said, “Is it all right if I join you?” Like, I don’t know if she said this guy or this girl won’t leave her alone but someone wouldn’t leave her alone. And so, yeah, we brought her into our, like, little group and she hung out with us for the rest of the night and whoever it was that was harassing her left her alone.
LT: So, you know, people are friendly enough that if, like, something like that does happen, you can get away with it. But I think it’s interesting, like you're saying, like, you got stranded in a place because you, like, misread the time. And something like that happened to me when I was in Fiji, actually.
DI: Oh no.
LT: So I was in Nadi bus station waiting for a bus that took me down, like, south as I was going to the Shangri-La Resort. And I misread my bus time as well. I think I missed it by about 30 minutes. I don’t know how I managed to misread that, but either way I missed it by, like, 30 minutes and I had to wait for the next bus. But the next bus wasn’t for four hours.
DI: Oh my gosh.
LT: So I ended up sitting in Nadi bus station for four hours. And three things happened in those four hours. One, I had this old lady come sit next to me and start talking to me. She was extremely nice and she gave me, like, two apples and, like, an orange before she left on her bus. And then I had, like, either a bottle of, like, cola or a bottle of water and some guy asked if he could have some. And I was like “Sure, go ahead.” You know, there wasn’t a lot left; I think it was, like, just under half a bottle. And he just walked away with it and I was like, “Okay, that’s fine. Whatever.”
DI: I can (inaudible) now.
LT: And then the weirdest part or the weirdest thing that happened is some guy came and sat next to me with headphones in, and he was watching porn on his phone in the middle of a bus station. And he was, like, watching this, like, girl get hit on from behind and he was, like, sitting there with his headphones and he would just look up, like, look around a little bit and then just go back to watching it. And then a couple of minutes later look up, look around and then back on it. And I was sitting right next to this guy so I could see everything that was going on on the phone. That was weird.
DI: That is weird. Yeah. That could happen. Yeah. At least he wasn’t, like, rubbing up against you while he was doing that, like.
LT: I probably would’ve, like, lost it if he had. That would’ve been too much for me.
DI: Yeah. I’ve some lewd experiences, and both of them have been in the US. So it happens, and it’s, yeah, getting yourself away from that ideally.
DI: Yeah. And it’s kind of a shame what you said about, like, the Full Moon party and how people were saying, “You know, people, you know, drug your drinks there and you have to look out.” Like, there’s definitely – like, I would say – I mean, it’s being sensible but I would also, you know, say, like, you know, know whether that region is known for it and, you know, be safe around it.
DI: When I was in Europe, I met this couple in Rome and they had all been at one of those close compartments on their train on the way there and, you know, the conductor’s come in and opened the train door and there’s the six people in there and, you know, they get your tickets and passports and things as you're travelling. And they said that their whole compartment fell asleep, and any time that the door opened, you know, everyone woke up because it was a loud door. But by the time they got to their stop in Rome, when the door opened for them to, you know – they arrived at their destination, they, like, were missing bags and cameras and stuff that was overhead. And this guy had this bag that was, like – the strap was looped around his leg, and it had been partly cut through. Like, someone was caught – like, had been interrupted while they were getting robbed.
DI: Like, no one had any idea it had happened and there was a compartment, you know, full of people. That region, like, on trains, like, you have to be careful that people might come in and steal your stuff. Like, you have to be aware of your surroundings, even if you're in a compartment full of people.
LT: Yeah. And like you said, if you do sort of, like, the – like, this is the beautiful thing about the internet, you know. You can, like, do some research on places and see, like, what are the things that you should be, like, careful of. It doesn’t mean, like, it’s ever going to happen to you. But like you said, you can, like, take precautions of things like that. So if you know there’s, like, some people have said, you know, “You’ve got to be careful of going on this train because it’s common that people will try and take your stuff.”
LT: So, you know, you know that if you do go on that train, then you want to make sure you stay awake or, you know, keep all your, like, valuable stuff on you instead of, like, in your bags and stuff like that.
LT: So you can take precautions. And, yeah, I mean, like you said, you know, places do vary – like you’re saying, like, being in New York and then being in Italy, you still got, like, attention. Are there sort of, like, any activities that you’ve done on your travels that, you know, when people will hear that you’ve done them that they’re going, “Oh my god. Did you really do that by yourself?” but then turned out to be not so bad after all? Because I know that’s, like, a lot of, like, the big things. Like, one of them for me was I went scuba diving in Thailand. I did my open water course there. And people were like, “You’re going to do that in Thailand? How do you know, like, the equipment’s going to be okay?” You know, because people think it’s cheap.
DI: Yeah. Yeah.
LT: So people were like, “Yeah. Are you sure you want to do that? Why don’t you just wait and do it when you get to Australia?” and stuff like that. But I found that the equipment was better in Thailand than it was when I was in Australia. You know, the people’s - - -
DI: (Inaudible) people totally get certified there, yeah.
LT: Yeah. People’s preconceived notion just because it’s Thailand and just because it was cheap, they automatically thought that it was going to be something bad and it was going to give you, like, a bad experience. But actually it was a pretty good one.
DI: Yeah. I’m trying to think of something that was an activity like that where people were like, “I can’t believe you’re doing that sort of thing.” I mean, it was more just about just the travelling on its own. I went to Mexico when the whole swine flu outbreak was happening so, you know, that was just activity of going to Mexico.
LT: What were people saying to you about that?
DI: They were like, “I can’t believe you're not cancelling your trip. Have you been watching, you know, the recommended travel list on the US Government website? Like, you know, there’s a travel ban or there’s a recommended, like, no travel area.” It’s, like, “No, we’ve been watching it and it says, you know, proceed with caution. So we’ll be careful, but we’re still going.” But, yeah, I’m trying to think. Like, I haven’t scuba dived in – I mean, I’ve snorkelled, but I haven’t, like, scuba’d in other countries. God, what else? I mean, it’s also something that, like, maybe I did that people just didn’t tell me that they were like, “I can’t believe you did that.”
DI: (Inaudible) here so I don’t know.
LT: Yeah. Because I think that’s the thing that, like, a lot of, like, women just, like, need to – not necessarily, like, worry about because, you know, a lot of – like you said, you can look online and you can, like, do a bit of research and see sort of, like, other people’s experiences and whether or not they’ve had, like, a bad experience. And the thing you do need to be careful of online is that you are going to see a lot more of sort of, like, bad reviews than you will good reviews. So always take them with, like, a grain of salt and don’t let, like, that one or two reviews of, like, a country or of an activity sort of, like, create your own preconceived notion of what could happen to you if you, like, went there or did that activity yourself.
DI: Yeah, agree.
LT: I mean, like you said, like, some of the places that you’ve been to – like, you’ve done a lot of travelling, like you said, around Europe, around, like, the States and stuff like that and nothing really bad happened, did it?
DI: No. Nothing really bad at all. And I feel like, you know, there’s one that, yeah, I definitely took precautions before I went. You know, say I had been on a train and my bag had gotten stolen, I had precautions in place where that wouldn’t be the end of the world. You know, I either have something like, I don’t know, a copy of something on me physically. Like, I think at the time I was wearing a money belt. I don’t know that I would even do that these days. But, you know, when it’s, like, your first time abroad, then you're super careful about everything. But, you know, there’s backups in place; there’s copies of things; there’s phone numbers I can get; and, I don’t know, I kind of – when you're travelling that way, I had these moments of clarity that was just – if anything happened, like, if my – let’s say, you know, my bag got stolen and let’s say, you know, everything on my person is gone and all my backups are gone.
Like, what would I do? And I know that I’d be able to figure it out. Like, I know I’d be able to ask for help, even if I didn’t know the language; I know I could find resources that would – you know, it wouldn’t be the end of the world, and that’s incredibly freeing. It’s incredibly, like – I don’t know. I think it’s such an important thing to know that you have the confidence to make it okay. Like, your physical safety is really, really important. As long as that’s okay, like, everything else just in the big scheme of things is figure-out-able. Like, you’ll find the path; you’ll find the way; and things will get better. So I don’t ever want that fear to stop me from taking a trip or an adventure like that.
LT: Yeah. And, like, talking about sort of, like, documents and stuff like that, it’s good to have, like, a second copy of things like that on you. I’ve, like, always, like, made, like, a digital copy as well and have them saved on, like, a Dropbox account.
LT: Or I’ve, like, emailed them to myself so I’ve always got, like, a copy of, like, my travel insurance, a copy of my passport and, like, any visas that I needed to have. I’ve always got, like, an electronic copy as well so just in case sort of, like, my first copy and my backup copy ever get, like, stolen or I lose them, then I’ve at least got a digital copy that I can, like, fall back on. And I think the only one that could potentially be a problem would be the passport, but, you know, you’ve got, like, a digital version of it or a scanned copy of it online that, like, you can go to, like, a consulate or whatever and say, “Look, here’s a copy of my passport. My actual passport’s been stolen.” And they can, like, easily get anyone sorted out, and it doesn’t take so long.
DI: Yeah (inaudible) right. It’d be a lot faster just. You know, having that little bit of backup makes a big difference, absolutely.
LT: So as we, like, go towards ending this conversation, is there sort of, like, one or two tips that you would give any, like, female travellers who are sort of, like, planning their first trip for the first time and, you know, the topic of sort of, like, safety, like, is an issue with, you know – not necessarily for themselves but, you know, with, like, friends and family around them. Are there sort of any, like, tips or advice that you would give these people?
DI: Yeah, sure. Kind of what we touched on. Do your research; know what you're going. If you are ever in a situation where you do feel uncomfortable, always find another woman because they always understand the situation that you're in.
DI: They understand why you’re uncomfortable; they’ve been there. Especially a local woman; they’ll definitely be able to help you. Yeah. And I had a lot of, you know, female friends that said, you know, they could never see themselves travelling alone because they wouldn’t even go out to eat by themselves. Go out eat by yourself. Like, try that out. Like, get comfortable with being a little bit uncomfortable and know that it’s okay.
DI: It’s an okay feeling to have. Yeah, that’s what I’d recommend. You know, get that feeling and just go.
LT: Yeah. And for me it all depends on sort of, like, how you plan on travelling. If you're planning on, like, going through hotels or if you're going to go, like, the hostel route, then you can easily make friends with people. I think that’s one of the best things that I’ve found when I’ve been travelling is that when you meet other travellers, everybody is extremely open and it doesn’t matter if you’ve, like, known these people for four weeks or four minutes; you know, they’re going to treat you the same.
LT: If you meet a group of people and they say, “Yeah. Like, three of us are going to go do this activity tomorrow.” And if you say, “Can I tag along?” I’ve never seen or heard anybody say no.
LT: The only time I’ve heard that happen is if, like, they weren’t coming back to, say, the hostel or the hotel or whatever. Like, they’re heading there but then they’re moving, like, to another city, like, straight after.
LT: So, yeah, I mean, you can easily make friends with you're travelling. So even if you are travelling alone, you don’t have to be alone the entire time.
DI: Yeah. Absolutely.
LT: As long as you sort of, like, open yourself up to, like, new friends and new connections and you will have the best time of your life.
DI: Definitely. And I feel like, like, the kind of traveller I am, like, I wanted that solo time. And not everyone does, but even wanting that solo travel time, it was still so easy to connect with other travellers and it was really fun to connect with other travellers that also were travelling solo because we would go do an activity together and then at the end of the day be like, okay, and then we’d part our separate ways.
DI: And that was fine. It was very comfortable; it felt very natural. But if you're a traveller that just wants to be around people and new people, like, it’s so easy to do too. I mean, I think I’ve found this group that I met in Nice and we were in the same place – there’s this loop that people do, so it’s like Nice to Cinque Terre to Florence to Rome – and just ran into them in three different cities, like, even though we weren’t travelling together. It was just like, “I guess they’re going to be there at the same time as I. Let’s go hang out.” And it’s fun. It’s like you have a whole travel community that’s just at your fingertips. And with internet and social media, it makes it so much easier to connect with people, find meetups, find, you know, like-minded travellers. If you're not staying in a hostel, if that’s not something with you, still go to the hostels. Like, they’re still people that are hanging out and looking to make connections.
LT: Especially like – depending on where you go, but a lot of hostels have their own sort of, like, bars as well.
LT: Which are fantastic places to meet other travellers that you can, like, either just, like, hang out with for the night or potentially go on, like, a trip with.
DI: Yep. Absolutely.
LT: So I think as long as you open yourself up to, like, meeting new people, then not only will you – you know, you can have friends for the night or friends for the week or friends for life, in some cases, but then you can also still have your solo time as well.
DI: Yep. Absolutely. So many options.
LT: Yes. So, Danielle, before we wrap this episode up, we have one thing to do and that is the rapid-fire question session.
DI: Oh my gosh. I’m nervous.
LT: There’s no need to be nervous.
LT: So we’re going to dive straight into this, and I want the first answer that comes into your head.
LT: So question number one: what is your favourite country that you’ve been to so far?
DI: Czech Republic.
LT: Number two: what is your last YouTube video or movie that you’ve watched?
DI: Oh my god. I think it was a trailer for that La La Land.
LT: La La Land? Yeah.
DI: It’s supposed to be really good. I watched the trailer. That was my last YouTube video.
LT: Number three: what is the weirdest thing that you’ve eaten?
DI: I actually had to answer this question the other night. I don’t know what it was, but I think it was intestines in South America. It was tubey and there was stuff inside it. It was definitely weird (inaudible)
LT: What is your favourite drinking game?
DI: Can I say this on there? It’s called Porn Line, where you watch a really bad movie and wait for them to say a line that could also be construed as a porn line and then you have to take a drink. Like, The Princess Bride is a very safe movie but they have great lines like, “I’m going to do him left-handed,” or, “It is the only way I’ll be satisfied. If I use my right, over too quickly.” Yeah.
LT: I like that. I’m going to have to add that one to the book.
DI: It’s pretty great. And the idea is you watch a really bad movie. The Princess Bride is a good movie in the example of that, but if you watch a terrible movie it’s a lot of fun.
LT: I like it. Number five: if you could meet one person, living or dead, who would it be?
DI: That’s a really good question. Is this one that stumps people?
LT: This is the one that stumps people. The first person that comes to your head.
DI: Jane Goodall.
LT: Number six: name one book you would recommend everybody should read.
DI: That’s a good question too.
LT: See, for me, it is a book called The Double Eagle.
DI: The Double Eagle?
LT: Yeah. It’s, like, a crime/religious book. Crimefighter, like, a religious twist. It’s sort of, like, Dan Brown’s, like, Da Vinci Code. It has the sort of, like, religious twist to it. It’s similar to that.
DI: You know which book – okay, this is one I’ve actually read several times and I highly recommend. It’s called The Romanov Prophecy, and it’s all about this – it’s kind of Dan Brown-esque where it’s kind of all about tracing the Romanov family the night that they were all executed and then the potential possibility of Alex and Alexandria actually getting away and this whole conspiracy about restoring the tsars to the throne. It’s fascinating.
LT: Number seven: what is your go-to song when you need to get into the mood to get shit done?
DI: It changes. Lately it’s just been the entire Hamilton soundtrack.
LT: That’s a good one. I like that.
DI: Yeah. Let’s do that. Let’s choose that.
LT: Number eight: what is your favourite swearword that you’ve learnt in another language?
LT: And what does that mean?
DI: “Shit” in French.
LT: And number nine: what is your favourite podcast apart from this one?
DI: God, I have a lot of them. My favourite lately – I love The Tim Ferriss Show. It’s probably the one I’ve been digging into the most lately.
LT: Nice. And, finally, can you give me your best travel story that you have in under five minutes.
DI: Yes. This one’s not solo, but I was in Buenos Aires with my friend Erin and we decided to go to a soccer game. We’re big soccer fans up in Seattle too, and we just thought South American soccer would be really intense and fun. And so we asked our walking tour guide where we should, you know, do that and he said, “You should definitely get a tour because it can be a little intense before and everything.” So we took his advice and we paid – I don’t know how much it was; 60 or 80 American dollars for this tour that picked us up at these hostels. There was a bunch of other hostellers that kind of came along on this tour. Beforehand we went and had, like, hotdogs and beer at this, like – almost like a garage that was about three blocks away from the stadium, because you can’t actually have alcohol in the stadium, which was new to us. We had no idea that that was a thing.
And as we’re sitting there kind of, you know, pre-funking before the game, there were, like, all these officers in, like, riot gear that were just casually, you know, there just in case anything happened. We get into the stadium with these passes that have these Argentinian men on them. I don’t know how they just let us in with these passes; it was kind of hilarious. And we get into our kind of seats which were just, you know, stadium style, so just sitting on concrete slabs. And we’re underneath kind of the lip. So there’s the whole section that’s above us, and our tour guide said, “You know, just make sure you don’t go out in front of that lip area because the opposing team is sitting above us and they’ll usually spit or pee over the side if they see anyone below it.” So we made sure not to do that. I mean, the game was fun; it was weird and it was intense. I mean, the game itself was just a lot of really good soccer watching.
And when the game was over, we had to sit in our seats for another 45 minutes because they had to let the opposing team’s fans leave first. And I’ve experienced that a little bit in the US. Like, if we have a heavy, you know, competitor match, if it’s a big rival game, like, usually they’ll let the rivals leave first. But it was not nearly as intense as, you know, no alcohol allowed; things that just getting thrown everywhere. It was just like a giant, like, Mardi Gras for the entire game. And then just sense of, like, there’s a security here, like, with, you know, these, like, you know, armour. But it was really casual because it’s just a normal part of soccer in South America. It was a good time.
LT: That sounds cool.
DI: Yeah, it was really cool.
LT: I’ve never actually been to a live soccer game, even though I am from England, you know, and, like, soccer – I hate people when they say it’s soccer; it’s football.
DI: Sorry. Football.
LT: It’s proper football, and American football should be called hand-egg because it’s a game that you play with your hand and the ball is shaped like an egg.
DI: I agree. Although we did not come up with the term “soccer”; that’s actually an English term too.
LT: I still don’t like it. I don’t care.
LT: It doesn’t describe the actual game properly.
DI: And American football, I agree, does not describe that either.
LT: So, yeah. So even though I’m from England and obviously football is a massive thing back there, I still have never been to a live game.
DI: It’s fun. You should. Toronto has a good team.
LT: Yeah. See, I’ve been told – what is it called? MLS? No, that’s the American one.
DI: Well, yeah, they’re the MLS.
LT: Is it MLS as well?
LT: Okay, yeah.
LT: So I have been told that I should check out an MLS game.
LT: So I think I will add that to the list of things to do whilst I’m here
DI: They’re a lot of fun. Seattle just won the MLS Cup from Toronto this last year, so.
DI: Just saying.
LT: Just saying.
DI: But just saying. It was pretty great. Yeah, they’re a lot of fun. Yes. But I think Toronto’s a really good support base too, so it’ll probably be a really fun game to go to.
LT: I will add that to my list.
LT: So, Danielle, thank you so much for coming on to the show. It’s been a pleasure talking to you.
DI: Thank you. Ditto.
LT: And if people wanted to find you online, where is the best place they can find you?
DI: Yeah. Probably just our website right now. It’s snapsscribblesandsuitcases.com. I’m a photographer; my husband’s a writer. So we wanted to play with the wording on that. And that’s where we’ll be posting tales about our upcoming adventure.
LT: Perfect. And I will put the link to your website into the show notes for today. So, again, Danielle, thank you so much for coming on to the show and hopefully we will get to talk again soon.
DI: Definitely. Thanks so much.
LT: You are more than welcome.
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